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8 March 2010

Q and A (ABC TV)

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Scott Bridges

Scott Bridges

It sounds like such a great idea for a TV show: five opinionated and articulate guests drawn from a wide range of orthodoxies and professional fields, facing-off against an engaged studio and television audience that asks tough questions which challenge each individual and spark heated debate amongst the group. Such a program idea promises insight, provoked thoughts, and a little bit of verbal biffo, which is the dream television combination for political tragics on a Monday evening. But if it's such a great idea why does its execution in the form of ABC TV's Q&A suck?

It's not just me that seems to think such unflattering thoughts about Q&A - a good chunk of the sizeable Twitter audience that discusses the show live via the #qanda hashtag regularly voices its dissatisfaction.

While each of those unhappy Twitter viewers has their own reasons for disliking the program, in my opinion the main problem is that Q&A tries to do and be so much that it completely loses focus and ends up doing and being much less. A lot has been said by many people about the composition of the studio audience, and whether it is stacked, biased, or whatever, but barring the facepalm first-year student politics questions read out by oh-so-earnest truth-seekers, and the incessant murder-inducing applause, the studio audience doesn't matter to me. My problem is with panels of guests that are too broad; and woeful interaction with the non-studio audience.

Being at the very centre of the concept of the program, the panel of guests is pretty crucial, but its composition seems terribly random and lacking any rhyme or reason - a government minister from one portfolio here, an opposition minister from another portfolio there; a journo or a think-tank boffin in the middle, and a random comedian or musician to pad out the sides. While the diversity, on the face of it, seems to promise an exciting variety of views, it often results in disjointed and confused discussion; too often panellists are obliged to comment on issues on which they have no informed or developed opinion. Not only must this be frustrating for panellists, but these forced contributions completely derail any flowing and constructive conversation that might be developing.

Or things go the other way completely and two or three panellists with strong and set opinions about a particular issue take over and talk at each other, drowning out all other participants before Tony Jones interrupts the exchange to invite a contribution from somebody else who doesn't really have one to make. Or the debate on a particular topic is developing nicely, with guests' contributions building on those that came before them, and then just as it's getting interesting the topic is changed completely by an audience question.

Sitting at home trying to engage in stop-start debate on a hyperactive rainbow of topics can be very difficult and even more frustrating. The show would work so much better if a theme was selected for each week's discussion - industrial relations, the arts, education etc. - and panellists were specifically selected for their interest or expertise in the theme. Cutting the number of guests down to three or four would also make the facilitation of discussion flow much smoother.

On the opposite side of the TV screen exists the other problem. At the start of each program Tony Jones eagerly spruiks the methods by which non-studio audience members can get involved, including SMS and Twitter. However, you've got to wonder why anyone would bother, with so few of these contributions ever making it to air and no real sense that those that don't make it to air have any impact on the debate whatsoever. Yet again, the show tries to involve everyone but dilutes its focus and ends up involving very few and disappointing the rest.

Especially frustrating is the producers' disinterest in the significant Twitter community that flocks to each broadcast. Q&A's social media following is huge, and it's exactly this kind of engaged and vocal online audience that other programs can only dream about. So why doesn't Q&A take greater advantage of it? For instance, it wouldn't take much effort for the production team to monitor the Twitter stream, select the choicest tweets, and note them somehow in the broadcast, perhaps running them as a continuous ticker at the bottom. Somebody could even count the pro-ALP and pro-coalition tweets to ensure an exact 50-50 split so trollumnists can't screech about a lack of balance.

It's a genuine shame that small but fundamental problems with Q&A's format prevent a program with such potential from being truly excellent, and judging from the rusted-on audience a lot of people want it to be just that. Let's hope that Q&A can answer the questions that its audience is asking.

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  • Helvi :

    16 Mar 2010 9:24:18am

    It was better last night withouth Fielding, I bet Dawkins is still laughing at our politicians.

    I enjoyed Liz grilling Abbott on Four Corners; I don't think the smarter Liberals are too happy with their present leader.



  • Robert2 :

    16 Mar 2010 12:19:18am

    I must admit to enjoying the show earlier this evening. Interesting cross section of subjects and panellists. Thought provoking input by the greater majority, to me, it was easy viewing.

  • Clancy of the Undertow :

    15 Mar 2010 10:18:15am

    There are two things which require immediate attention. Firstly, the audience questions must be limited to ten seconds,with a timer, in order to eliminate the lengthy boring preambles that a lot of the questioners insist on delivering. Secondly the audience must be prevented from any sort of applause, with the threat of ejection. In fact I can't really justify having an audience at all. All the questions are vetted beforehand anyway, so why not a list of prepared questions from viewers read out by Tony Jones? That would save a lot of time and allow a couple more questions.

  • Rodders :

    12 Mar 2010 3:33:29pm

    I used to watch the show and I had high hopes that it would provide lively, logical debate on a range of issues. Instead, it has degenerated into a platform for politicians to push their own agenda or sling off at each other. Non politician guests seem to be chosen to appear on the basis of the size of their ego and their ability to push their own agenda. The problem with Q&A is that it trots out the same tired old politicians and self promoters that the australian public are so fed up with. Come on Tony, why don't you ask some 'ordinary' people on to the show?

      • Jack :

        15 Mar 2010 1:33:54pm

        The greatest problem I have with Q&A is stirrer Tony Jones ... but then he has made the program into Tony's self promotion hour.

      • Vivienne :

        15 Mar 2010 4:32:15pm

        The original concept of Q & A was that it had politicians and that the people could ask them their own direct questions. Plenty of 'ordinary people' here on Unleashed. A greater variety of policitians would be good but I don't think they are all up to being 'interesting' enough to appear on TV and many would probably baulk at the idea of being on Q & A.

  • SeanK :

    11 Mar 2010 3:50:40pm

    I watch Q&A regularly and have mixed feelings about it. I enjoyed and admired Tony Jones as the host of Lateline (and am very dissapointed with Leigh Sales), but I just dont think he does a good job of being the impartial adjudicator. He seems either dismissive of certain audience members and panelists, or overly indulgent, yet rarely balanced and impartial.

    Further the stupid questions usually asked by those at home via their webcams irritate me no end, not to mention the puerile 'mash-ups' that they showed at the end of each programme always irked me to the point of switching off. At least now they seem to have let go of the notion of including a 'comedian' on the panel (usally from the Chaser team) to interject with silly irrelevant jokes and comments.

    BTW did anyone watching the last programme notice the manic applause from the ubiquitous headscarved Muslem woman in response to Dawkins critique of the delusion of Christs crucifiction? Why the delusion of Islam wasnt immediately pointed out by Dawkins or anyone else in response to this double standard mystified me.....

  • Lismore Liv :

    11 Mar 2010 3:19:25pm

    I no longer watch the program. Did they stack the 'audience' with snotty-nosed godbotherers?

      • DocMercury :

        11 Mar 2010 6:06:58pm

        Ironically, the only one not bothered by the god-botherers is God ITself, who as far as I can tell, doesn't give a donkey's hee-haw.

  • The Seeker :

    10 Mar 2010 2:25:07pm

    For the want of something better to watch I am a fairly regular fan of Q&A. Our sympathies are logically with the producers struggling to maintain quality of panellists.

    They must have been reduced to scraping the barrel recently to resort to Christopher Pyne. His crass, contemptibly insensitive, ignorant, smart-arse remark about Peter Garrett in his presence two or three shows ago must surely find its way into history. If he did not lose thousands of votes for his Party that evening, then one must fear greatly for this nation’s gene-pool of intelligence. The studio audience lost a lot by not loudly booing him. If he did not receive many raps over the knuckles from the more decent Opposition members of the House, it speaks volumes for the dominant intellectual level on the left-hand of the Speaker.

    Julia Gillard’s description of Pyne as a bloke is classic accuracy.

  • kika :

    10 Mar 2010 9:10:45am

    The show reminds me on some shows I watched in communist China - nicely staged!!!

  • Gilbert :

    09 Mar 2010 5:53:06pm

    Many moons ago a show titled Monday Conference sparked my early political and social interest, and it was quite energetic.
    Was this program, like Owley School, just a figment of my imagination, or did it really exist?

  • insidejob :

    09 Mar 2010 5:27:11pm

    Why dont they tackle something like 9/11..be a ratings hit. when you look at the facts, its obvious we're being lied to. we went into iraq, illegally, based on lies, our rights are being eroded, all based on the lies of 9/11. when politicians mention it, its like, they cant see what really happened. are politicians really that dumb? how can any media, justify not screaming from the rooftops, the great conjob of 9/11? how can the abc justify itself, by staying quiet about this. shame.



    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/03/proof-that-911-truthers-are-dangerous.html

      • Anon :

        09 Mar 2010 10:51:58pm

        Would looking at the various 9/11 conspiracies be that much of a ratings hit?

        I suppose that depends on how many people, as a percent of the population, believe in one of them.

          • insidejob :

            10 Mar 2010 9:02:26am

            yes, i agree theres a few different ones, but there is only one conspiracy theory that needs any investigation. that is the one espoused by the government(s).

            once subjected to even minimal scrutiny, the whole story falls to pieces. even members of the 9/11 commission report, reject their own report as being based on lies.. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php how can that not be news?

            i dont believe people are truly that apathetic, that they are not concerned with why we went into iraq and afghanistan illegally, or why we are soon to be subjected to full body scans at airports, ( because of subsequent suspect acts of so called terror ) and i think its truly disgusting that the media refuses to cover it.

            and - as looney as i may be for whatever i believe, there are plenty of credible others, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/inside-the-beltway-70128635/?feat=home_columns , who are staking their reputation on the fact, that there remains many unanswered questions regarding the events of 9/11, and i believe theres a growing momentum, - i think the truth will come out, but sooner rather than later would be better.

            when our politicians use 9/11 as an excuse to impose further restrictions on your rights, they are either being an idiot, or treating you like one. either way, its unacceptable.

            ( i apologise for going off topic here, but its very hard to find a thread regarding 9/11 )

              • Anon :

                10 Mar 2010 12:15:39pm

                I find the opposite. The government explanation is the most credible and rational.

                Once subjected to even minimal scrutiny, I have found that most of the alternative conspiracy theories fall apart quite easily.

                Because most of those alternative theories need to operate on assumptions and bad science just to hold water. Once you look at them in any detail, those theories become an illogical mess.

                I am not going to argue individual facts or conspiracy about 9/11 with you. It would only waste forum space if we did, and it isn't relevent to the forum.

                Instead, I urge you to take whatever alternative conspiracy you believe and look carefully at whether the science and assumptions behind that theory are sound. You might be disappointed.

              • insidejob :

                10 Mar 2010 3:06:26pm

                its not about alternative theories. its about the truth. facts are.. the government story could not have happened the way they say. one example..

                http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405

                therefore, weve been lied to. the only question is, how much?

                theres many more questions that need answers, im not putting forward any other theory, i just want the government to prove its theory is true.. and to address the many inconsistencies. ...

                Q & A - sadly .. they wont/cant answer.

                but if you look at the demolition of wtc 7 , and think ..oh yeah... small fires do that.. then i dont even know why im bothering...

              • insidejob :

                10 Mar 2010 3:14:30pm

                also... re bin laden..
                http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090801121933827

                and thats just it.. noone knows these things.. the very fact that they are not being reported in main stream media is a story in itself!

                bin laden denied involvement in 9/11... you probably saw the faked video.. theres plenty of them.. just yesterday i saw reports about so called alquaeda folk.. who were actually .. umm not! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

                a lot of those 9/11 conspiracies, have also been put out there by people with alterior motives too.. misinformation, to muddy the waters..

                how can anyone, other than those who know the truth, do anything but guess what could have happened? the onus is not on those who question to prove anything.. its on the people telling the story, to prove what they say actually happened..

                they wont, because they cant. thats why obamas going back to military trials, so they dont have to answer questions.

      • hugoagogo :

        10 Mar 2010 11:34:46am

        I remember the actual September Eleven broadcast was a ratings hit from the moment I tuned in at 11:15 pm. Blanket coverage for days. It took weeks for Third Rock to come back on. But they kept the ads coming.

        There might have been some risky parts to the plan but Bin Laden had no doubts about how the world media would behave in their alloted role.

        Don't know about conspiracies - seems plenty of incompetence; nicely noticed and exploited.

          • insidejob :

            10 Mar 2010 10:52:23pm

            my kids would come home from primary school... look at the tv... and say... "is this movie still on?"

            thankyou for publishing my comments, i appreciate it.

      • Alex Read :

        11 Mar 2010 3:30:54pm

        Whatever your views on September 11, I highly doubt that Q&A would be the best place to explore them for two reasons:
        1. The difficulty of getting prominent guests on, I can't really see anybody with a prominent public profile to maintain publically espousing 9/11 conspiracy theories and;
        2. It would be a debate that would get bogged down in factual details. It would be like a climate change debate on crack, so many contested details that 90% of the audience (already smaller than usual due to the unknowns sitting on the pannel) would tune out within five minutes.

          • insidejob :

            14 Mar 2010 5:36:26pm

            1. there's literally thousands. 1122 architectural and engineering professionals
            and 7436 other supporters including A&E students
            have signed the petition demanding of Congress
            a truly independent investigation. http://www.ae911truth.org/

            2. its already an established fact that the USA government lies to the detriment of its own citizens, otherwise they wouldn't be facing a $650 million compensation bill for telling the first responders the air was safe to breath. The only details to get bogged down about, is how many we charge with war crimes or treason, and weather we hang them or shoot them. Only after they are found guilty of course.

            the recent confirmation of nano thermite particles in the dust, also conclude that the 3 WTC buildings were ( obviously, just by watching... ) brought down with the aid of explosives. More reading http://www.legitgov.org/9_1_1_oddities.html

              • Alex Read :

                15 Mar 2010 5:38:21pm

                1. I have no doubt that there are thousands, possibly even hundreds of thousands, of 9/11 conspiracy theorists out there. But I'd say that to warrant a place on the Q&A panel they would need to have a public profile or be a representative of a group with a public profile. The panel is also typically made up mostly of Australians. The reality is that Q&A would simply not be appealing unless the majority of the panel fitted these criteria. With the exception of a few musicians, I can't really think of too many who would fit the bill, but feel free to educate me (remember, prominent Australians who support 9/11 conspiracy theories).
                2. I have several pet hates in this world, and one is the over use of the word obvious or obviously. Dictionaries will generally give the word obvious a definition along the lines of "Easily perceived or understood, readily apparent". It is not easily perceived or understood or readily apparent solely from watching the footage that the World Trade Centre Buildings were brought down with the aid of explosives. In fact, if one were to awake from a deep coma after twenty years and see footage from the attack, what do you think they would perceive as the cause of the destruction of the towers? Explosive charges? Or the airliners that plowed straight into them?
                Glib remark about weather/whether. You have a list of 1122 architectural and engineering professionals supporting a fresh inquiry (presumably, who share your view that the 9/11 attacks involved explosives). Tell me honestly, do you not think that one could also compile a list of the same length, if not greater, of professionals in those fields who support the orthodox view on the matter? And if the professionals in these fields cannot reach a concensus on the facts, would you not call those facts... contestable?
                As I said, an AGW debate on crack.

              • insidejob :

                15 Mar 2010 9:15:53pm

                educate yourself nimrod.. im not here to do your googling for you, or anyone else, or to have a debate here and now, about what happened or didnt happen. i was suggesting it would be a good idea for a Q&A debate, because there is growing momentum on the subject, for a new investigation. but if you disagree, for whatever reason, fine. if you simply look at the 3 wtc towers exploding into dust and dont think its due to explosions, then you need your bloody head read!. i dont believe there is no interest in the lies that killed ~3000 people on sept 11 2001, and the hundreds of thousands since.

                believe what you want. but theres evidence out there that proves the government conspiracy theory cant be true, and ive provided links already. jeez.. some people

      • 8 cents a day :

        15 Mar 2010 3:31:59pm

        I agree. There appears to be an embargo on this subject in the mainstream media in Australia . The Canadian Broadcasting Commission's 'The Fifth Estate' a TV program similar to 'Four Corners' ran an excellent progranm last November on 9/11 and the anomalies in the official version. It would be good if 'Four Corners' screened it. The question is: why won't it?

  • gt :

    09 Mar 2010 3:59:31pm

    I found last night's (March 8) episode intensely disappointing. My main purpose in watching was to see and hear from Patrick McGorry whom I admire greatly. Unfortunately he was relegated to no more than a bit player (he was right to express his frustration during the program) and the show was hijacked by the cynical travelling media stunt known as Richard Dawkins and his adoring acolytes. The early flurry of Dorothy Dixers he received gave him open slather to trot out his usual 'grab bag' of overused and ill-founded caricatures aimed at anyone anywhere who practices any form of religious faith. The others might as well have sent their contributions in by mail. Tony Bourke and Julie Bishop did their expected bit of party political posturing and added nothing. The Rabbi, whose mane I unfortunately have forgotten for the moment, deserved more time than she got but suffered form being a last minute inclusion. Which brings me to the Senator. Whose idea was it ot include him!!! Every time he opened his mouth it was a free kick for Dawkins. He was utterly pathetic and a thorough embarrassment. It all added up to a wasted hour of my life. And if Dawkins is right (unlikely) it's an hour that is gone into the ether for good.

      • Sarahrebral :

        09 Mar 2010 4:31:17pm

        Why unlikely?
        The whole point of Dawkins' arguments is that it is far, far more likely that it is gone for good than not.

          • gt :

            09 Mar 2010 9:47:20pm

            Yes you're right. In retrospect it probably would have been better to have left the '(unlikely)' out. Stylistically it was very clumsy. Philosophically??? Well that just might be another matter entirely. I don't find RD to be the unimpeachable fount of wisdom that some (only some) others do. In debate with his intellectual equals, or superiors, he doesn't come across as such a commanding presence. Wheras, it's no great achievement to make jibbering fundamentalists look silly.

              • Sarahrebral :

                10 Mar 2010 10:17:53am

                You don't need a particularly commanding presence when the evidence you have is enough to speak for itself. And while it maybe "no great achievement to make jibbering fundamentalists look silly." is no less an important task to expose them as you would any fraudster. Just think, in Fielding's case, we have a man elected into public office, who believe's the world was created less than 10,000 years ago. In 2010! Now i know he dodged the question and didn't say he believed that but he had every opportunity to say he didn't.

              • GT :

                10 Mar 2010 4:19:12pm

                You're presching to the converted as regards Sen. Fielding's unsuitability to hold the sadly important role he currently has in the Aust. political landscape. His creationist admission confirmed my worst suspicions. However I'd suggest your assertion "the evidence you have is enough to speak for itself", is only marginally less fundamentalist than S.F's position. R.D's evidence certainly is enough to knock down the straw men he has already erected but it doesn't serve him nearly so well against better equipped antagonists. In my previous post I wsn't referring to S.F. as one of R.D's intellectual
                equals and you probably didn't take it as such. In encounters with academics such as Alister McGrath, R.D. didn't prevail or ever look like he would.

              • Sarahrebral :

                11 Mar 2010 8:59:22am

                "However I'd suggest your assertion "the evidence you have is enough to speak for itself", is only marginally less fundamentalist than S.F's position."

                No comparison, one is based on evidence and one on faith.

              • gt :

                11 Mar 2010 12:00:49pm

                Both are statements of faith actually. Both sides are holding up lists of data, interpreting them as they wish, putting lots of 'faith' in their interpretations and spruking them with increasing shrillness. Dawkins has done no more than to make a form of pseudo-scientific fundamentalism fashionable. Fashions come and go.

              • Sarahrebral :

                11 Mar 2010 12:30:19pm

                Oh please. Only one side is actually holding up quantifiable evidence based data.

              • gt :

                11 Mar 2010 8:43:16pm

                The point is that you and I are probably in agreement in most of the matters under consideration here. We probably adhere to most of the data under discussion. What I'm concerned about isn't facts but rather attitude. I'm tired of hearing people (including RD) assert stridently "WE KNOW....". Science doesn't prove anything. It simply puts forward plausible hypotheses and then sets about testing the plausibility of said hypotheses. It's not the data, it's the unquestioning adherence that people put on various assertions based so often on little more than the fact that "so-and -so said so", that bothers me. As a former bishop remarked, his biggest problem throughout his ministry lay in his dealings with the "certainty wallahs" (perhaps insert the good senator's name here, but you could also put the good professor's name forward as well). RD is an impressive media performer and often succeeds amazingly in presenting the merely possible as incontrovertible fact. And countless people get sucked in by his talent in this area. I recently read Chris Hedges work - "I Don't Believe In Athiests - The Dangerous Rise of the Secular Fundamentalist." It isn't an easy read but he does skilfully ring alarm bells as to various accompanying dangers attached to the Dawkins/Hitchins/Harris et al bandwagon. It's worth dipping into.

  • Alex Read :

    09 Mar 2010 3:51:53pm

    I have no problem with politicians appearing on Q&A when they make a positive contribution to the debate, for example Peter Garrett and Christopher Pine were positive contributers. Last night, on the other hand, saw the politicians routinely dodging the questions.
    If Tony Burke was to give a talk to a school in which he extolled the virtues of Catholocism, that would be inappropriate.
    If Julie Bishop gave an interview in a gossip mag about why Christianity was the only correct world view, that would be inappropriate.
    If Steve Fielding were to get up in parliament and justify a serious policy decision on the basis of his young-earth creationsim, that would be inappropriate.

    It is not at all, however, inappropriate for politicians to engage in a well reasoned debate on religion on a debate program on the ABC. In fact, I would say it is damn inappropriate for them to accept an invitation to appear on said show where religion was bound to be the topic and refuse to give their views. It is wasting the viewer's time and the time of the other panelists. The name of the show is Q&A, not Questions & If You Feel Like It Answers But Otherwise Just Call Other Panel Members Rude For Giving Honest Opinions (Q&IYFLIABOJCOPMRFGHO). If they don't like it, don't go on. It is that simple.

  • Ummm :

    09 Mar 2010 1:30:24pm

    I like the show because it puts people on the spot and exposes them. For example, last night Sen. Fielding looked like a hypocrit when he strongly denied that gays should be killed, as suggested in The Bible. Yet, if he were true to his fundamentalist convictions, then he should believe EVERYTHING in The Bible. (I am not advocating that, just pointing out the inconsistency)

    Also, last week Peter Garrett showed his strength of character by appearing on the show and being reasonable, sensitive and intelligence, despite the threatening comments by Christopher Pyne, such as, "Peter is brave for coming on the show". This exposed Mr Pynes obvious awareness of the bullying campaign that had been conducted against Mr Garrett.

    Last night it was good to see the intelligence of Richard Dawkins on the show. Such common sense! Why can politicians never be so sensible.

  • David St :

    09 Mar 2010 1:27:34pm

    I agree with the contention of the author that Q and A is not realising its potential and the last two episodes were quite boring and contributed nothing of any substance to the social debate. The fault is not with either the guests or politicians but is primarily with the selected questions but mainly the moderator. I would give Leigh Sales the other lateline presenter a chance for a week or two, she would be better and less likely to allow guests to ramble, or even Kery O'Brien or Barrie Cassidy they all are better interviewers and questioners. Tony should head of to Channels 7 or 9 where generally vapid television is the norm because he seems to have lost interest in cutting edge debate. For the record I do not think Tony betrays any obvious bias and the range of views as to what his biases supposedly are clearly demonstrates that if you are generally neutral both sides will inevitably think you are biased against their views as they are partisan. Tony is clearly not he is just boring and a shallow moderator.

  • anne :

    09 Mar 2010 1:01:02pm

    Dawkins wont be around when it matters. His voice and opinion will be not only disproved but never looked back on.
    He wont be on that panel!!!

      • Sarahrebral :

        09 Mar 2010 1:21:17pm

        When what matters? Judgement day?
        Good luck disproving anything he's got to say.

          • anne :

            10 Mar 2010 1:37:42pm

            "luck" will have nothing to do with it.

              • Anon :

                10 Mar 2010 11:22:49pm

                Neither will belief, for that matter.

                Because believing something doesn't make it any more likely to be true.

      • Simon :

        10 Mar 2010 1:35:25pm

        I am a bit confused Ann, RD seeks evidence based truths, how is that to be disproved? As he pointed out, ideology is not evidence based and believing in something that you have no evidence for is delusional.

          • anne :

            15 Mar 2010 1:07:32pm

            my point exactly- you are quick

  • blax5 :

    09 Mar 2010 12:23:29pm

    Like with most things in life, there are some raisins in this cake, but boring bits also.
    Last night my jaw dropped, when Fielding said he'd voted for the bill (change of asylum seeker management) but could not imagine that it would lead to arrivals in such large numbers. Now where did he live in the last 30 years? Excessive population growth, economic problems, tribal conflicts, the war between East and West cultures replacing the Cold War - he had not fathomed that this would fill Christmas Island and then some?
    I'm not sure in which State Fielding is at home, but I was really shocked that someone so ignorant can have such a position. He is probably another proof that reading the Bible makes no positive contribution towards resolving current issues.
    Other than that, I think, the time is fast approaching that Q & A needs to take a breather because all politicians are already in election mode and spin is intruding.

  • ungodly :

    09 Mar 2010 12:21:35pm

    doesnt matter what question you ask religious idiots like fielding or abbott, you can never get a sensible answer. there should be a ban on anyone who believers in leprechauns or sky gods or any other fairy tale, from ever standing for election to parliament, or from going on tv programs, unless its a comedy show, or a sporting event where they are fed to lions or other wild man eating beasts.

      • Sarahrebral :

        09 Mar 2010 1:24:02pm

        As i've always said, i would like to see politicians be completely open about their religious views because i believe this affects their policy making. Even as a strident Labor supporter i'd vote for an atheist conservative of a bible thumping Kev.

  • BARRY :

    09 Mar 2010 11:47:08am

    Dawkins has a right to his views as we all do, but his arrogant trampling on other peoples views, faith and religion shows very clearly that all he wants to do is sell more books.

    His continual attempt to put words into peoples mouths combined with his "game playing" by denying GOD then ridiculing Jesus does not make him look like a person who is participating in a debate, rather more like a "travelling showman" trying to flog his product.

    He has a well rehearsed patter that he has perfected over the years and it relies on being controversial to the point of rudeness.

    Should he come out and simply say that "these are my beliefs and I respect your beliefs" he may well appear to be more of a scientist and less of a PR man for a publishing company.

    The simplest question for him (as a man of science)is simply this - PROVE TO ALL OF US BY SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY THAT THERE IS NO OVERALL CREATOR - GOD.

    If he is unable to, then be enough of a human being to acknowledge others beliefs without ridiculing them, argue by all means, but please a little respect and an understanding that your words may be extremely insulting to many people.

    A man of science or a book salesman?

      • Toby :

        09 Mar 2010 12:55:35pm

        You've got that the wrong way around. It's up to those that believe in religion to prove to us by scientific methodology that there is an overall creator - god.

          • BARRY :

            09 Mar 2010 1:55:45pm

            Works both ways lol.

          • hugh carnaby sirius :

            09 Mar 2010 2:59:05pm

            Why should those who choose to believe in God have to prove anything to you? It's a free country, they can believe in what they want to.

            Maybe some of them also realise that the amount of scientific knowledge is so small (in comparison with is NOT known about the universe) that scientific 'proof' is a very tenuous proof anyway. After all, we know nothing of 'dark matter' except that it exists, and it comprises 90% of the universe. And we have existed in a spatially minute portion of the universe, for a temporally minute portion of time.

            And maybe some of them understand that the scientific method doesn't actually prove anything - it attempts to disprove the opposite of the original hypothesis. When it fails to do so (within statistical limits) the assumption is made that the original hypothesis was correct - but of course, the science is never settled and later experiments can and do alter the theory.

              • Anon :

                09 Mar 2010 4:59:47pm

                The burden of proof lies with the person making the positive assertion, not the negative one.

                And when you make a positive assertion without proof, it can be dismissed as such.

                It is true that science can only reach conclusions based on the available observable evidence. But religion reaches conclusions based on no evidence at all. So go figure.

                It is one thing to *believe* in a deity. Belief doesn't need to be logical or rational. Or true for that matter.

                But it is another thing to *assert* that a deity exists.

                Because then you go one step further, and imply that your belief is based on logical or rational grounds.

      • Cap'n :

        09 Mar 2010 1:03:28pm

        As an aside since you have clearly not read any of his writings.

        "these are my beliefs and I respect your beliefs"

        Dawkins will not say that because he does not respect religious beliefs. One of his main thrusts is that religious belief should not engender respect merely because it is religious, any more than any point of view that defies both common sense and evidential scrutiny (among other things).

        There is a saying that goes along the lines of "I'll respect your ability to hold a belief, but that does not mean I'll respect what you believe."

        Anyway, it is YOU making the extraordinary claim of a supernatural omnipresent being - so it is up to you to convince others your hypothesis is true, not others to prove you correct. Otherwise I can simply ask you to prove to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster (or anything else I choose to come up with) does not exist, and by your inevitable failure claim that it therefore does. Which is clearly a ludicrous line of argument.

        ObTopic: I enjoy Q&A, sometimes it is good, sometimes it isn't, but it is often *revealing*.

          • BARRY :

            09 Mar 2010 2:01:16pm

            I made no claims ok.

            I just him to prove what he says, its very easy to reverse it and ask others to prove Gods existence.

            Catch 22.

              • Cap'n :

                09 Mar 2010 3:46:30pm

                It doesn't work that way however.

                You say: "Prove...that there is no overall creator."
                That statement however makes the assumption - nay, the claim - that there IS an overall creator. *That* assumption/claim is the one that is yet to be confirmed, not the other way around. Unfortunately it does not "work both ways" as you said in another answer. It is impossible and illogical to "prove" a negative - for instance, to prove that the Spaghetti Monster does not exist.

                Prove to me, for instance, that Zeus is not a mythological deity. You will not be able to do so.

          • hugh carnaby sirius :

            09 Mar 2010 3:26:09pm

            "One of his main thrusts is that religious belief should not engender respect merely because it is religious, any more than any point of view that defies both common sense and evidential scrutiny (among other things)."

            Which highlights two of the fundamental flaws in Dawkin's position. First, 'common sense' is not common and frequently it is not sensible. What you call 'common sense' is actually a set of personal beliefs based on your own level of knowledge, your experiences and your personal values. Your 'common sense' is not universal to humanity, it's not even common to everyone in Australia. For you or Dawkins to claim that your common sense is somehow superior to anyone else is pure hubris.

            Next we have 'evidential scrutiny' In the TV version of the God Delusion, Dawkins displayed utter contempt for the scientific method by deciding what evidence he was going to accept, and dismissing evidence to the contrary. When faced with a Christian who accepted evolution (and therefore did not meet his stereotype / suit his purpose) he completely dismissed the man - and yet there are very many Christians who do accept evolution. As a scientist, if I wrote a paper which dismissed a substantial part of the evidence I would not get it published (and neither would Dawkins). There are even atheists who acknowledge that Dawkins discredits science by this approach. The other aspect of 'evidence' is the apprent assumption by Dawkins and others that science has reached such a level of understanding about the universe that any views contrary to his can be dismissed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Humans have an incomplete and imperfect understanding of one tiny corner of a virtually infinite universe. They have been in existence for a minute fraction of its 14.5 billion years. Their level of understanding is infinitesimally small. Even so, the amount of 'knowledge' that exists in 7 billion human beings is beyond the capacity for any ONE of us to learn, let alone develop a coherent philosophy about.


              • Simon :

                10 Mar 2010 1:49:21pm

                Just because a christian accepts the scientific theory of evolution (because of the weight of evidence) does not lead to any acceptance of the christian belief. There is no evidence to support the invisible god nor even a historical person now called jesus. He is right to dismiss the religious ideolog. Delusional beliefs do not deserve a rational person's respect.

      • Jack B :

        09 Mar 2010 1:09:38pm

        Sorry, Barry, but there is no god in my life. If you wish to convince me otherwise, then the burden of proof is on you.

          • BARRY :

            09 Mar 2010 1:58:56pm

            At least you people here are more polite and well mannered haha thanks I respect your beliefs.

            May we all enjoy our time here and accept that whatever will be will be cheers to all.

      • Sarahrebral :

        09 Mar 2010 1:32:35pm

        Yawn barry, yawn.
        Firstly, all Dawkins did in last night's show was state facts. I just read the transcript as i missed the show. If by stating these facts you feel your views were arrogantly trampled upon well that's your issue.
        He never once ridiculed anyone's beliefs, that's just your insecurity on the issue showing, the same insecurity that makes you demand that science 'disproves' something rather than prove it.
        In no other aspect of life anywhere is there a need to disprove something in order to make someone believe it doesn't exist. Faith is a mental illness that will, sooner (hopefully) or later be cured.

      • Kocsonya :

        09 Mar 2010 1:33:53pm

        "PROVE TO ALL OF US BY SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY THAT THERE IS NO OVERALL CREATOR - GOD"

        According to the Popperian definition of science, the existence of any sort of deity is a non-scientific question. It can not be falsified, (and, as a matter of fact, its opposite can not be falsified either) therefore science should simply ignore the question.

        That is actually stated in the God Delusion, but in that book. If you read the book, then you learn that what he argues is that according to our experiences the probability of any sort of deity existing is so low, that the standpoint that rational beings should take is the assumption of no god existing. The big ads on the London buses read "There is PROBABLY no God ..." [emphasys is mine] - he is a scientist and he qualifies his statements.

        With regards to science and religion, what irritates him (seemengly to the extreme) when religion is mixed with science, in particular, when religion wants to counter science. He also gets quite agitated when religion is said to bear the basis for morality, because neither reading the religious texts of the Abrahamic religions, nor the history of any church of those religions could be called especially moralistic.

        As per ridiculing religios beliefs, well, believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is no more ridiculous than believing in any other deity. That particular religion was designed to have the same general structure as Christianity, yet Christians find it a ridiculous idea.

        By the way, Prof. Dawkins have many books. Most of them have nothing to do with religion (for the reason of being science books. I think he got extremely pissed when the idea of teaching creationism as science became a serious proposition and since then he grabs every possibility to, quite rightly, in my opinion, exorcise religion from science in particular and the secular state in general.

        On the issue of respecting one's belief, correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the feeling that the Christian faith has some mentioning of that particular faith being the only right one, that not believing in that particular version of monotheism is a (mortal?) sin and that it is an imperative for all true believers to convert those with false beliefs or, even worse, with no belief at all.

          • BARRY :

            09 Mar 2010 3:47:34pm

            Once again, I did NOT say I was christian nor did I say I supported any specific religion.

            Its ok if a scientist says that its a non scientific question, saves them having to answer it lol.

              • Haha :

                09 Mar 2010 5:48:03pm

                If a question is not falsifiable, it is not a rational question to ask.

                Why would a rational person spend their time trying to answer an irrational question?

                For that matter, why would a rational person ask an irrational question in the first place?

              • Kocsonya :

                09 Mar 2010 6:04:03pm

                Karl Popper was not a scientist, he was a philosopher. Among other things he came up with the observation that it is not possible to prove a theory empirically (no matter how many times it turned out to be true, it can still turn out to be wrong sometime in the future), but it is possible to disprove it (you just show a counterexample).

                He concluded that if you can not establish an observation or experiment (even if it is only a thought experiment) of which a certain outcome would prove the theory false, then the whole theory is out of the scope of science. On the other hand, if your statement is falsifyable, then it is a scientific theory.

                This Popperian definition of what is a scientific question is generally accepted among scientists (although it is not the only science philosophical line of thought in existence).

                The statement "God exists" is not a scientific theory, because nor can you come up with an experiment (not even a thought experiment) of which a certain outcome would prove that the above statement is false, neither can you define any phenomenon observing which would disprove the statement.

                The scientists do not hide from the question of the existence of God, they simply tell you that it's not a scientific question. Furthermore, they might add that if one can explain the world without assuming the existence of God, then from a rational standpoint, using Occam's razor, one should assume that God doesn't exist.

      • Alex Read :

        09 Mar 2010 3:33:15pm

        "PROVE TO ALL OF US BY SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY THAT THERE IS NO OVERALL CREATOR - GOD." To draw a common analogy, this would be akin to me announcing the existence of an invisible, flying spagetti monster and then challenging you to prove me wrong. It cannot be done. It is not for the person opposing the theory to prove it wrong, it is for the person proposing the theory to prove it right.

      • Simon :

        10 Mar 2010 1:54:09pm

        As RD stated, science should investigate religion and see what evidence comes to light. The facts will then allow for the most logical conclusion to be drawn. Religion would be fine except that it imposes itself on all of humankind, infuencing our laws, taking a cut of our taxes and damaging many people permanently. It is too important an influence to allow religion to continue untested.

  • Mike S :

    09 Mar 2010 11:46:14am

    When Q&A was first announced, I was all excited about the idea.... but such a disappointment. Not a patch on Insight. The questions are obviously vetted, and none of the issues broached (or answered) are particularly relevant to the problems facing humanity.

    Haven't watched it in months, and even though I meant to make the effort for Dawkins' appearance, I plain forgot, my Monday viewing is already booked for other things!

  • om :

    09 Mar 2010 11:24:44am

    I actually think Q and A would be better without any pollies at all. I am frankly sick of politicians who feel they have to give us their opinion on everything. Their job is to govern the country so just get on with it, and stop sitting on panel shows or riding quad bikes in the bush!

    There are much more interesting people in the world than politicians and they are always much more interesting on this show when they get a chance to speak. And there are also interesting people in the audience who would also be great on the panel.

    Now there is an idea for a show, an audience of "celebraties" who ask questions of ordinary people who sit on the panel!

  • jackson :

    09 Mar 2010 9:56:24am

    I just cannot watch this show - too many panellists, too many politicians - when is Fora coming back?
    Like others, I much prefer Jenny Brockie and Insight, but do wish people would get over this 'Tony is too right, too left, too anything'

  • NicF :

    09 Mar 2010 9:53:32am

    The real problem as I see it is that there's no fact checking on the claims made by the people on the panel, and it's that that lets down the quality of the debate.

    For example, the Q&A episode last year on the R-18 rating for video games (whoops, am I not supposed to bring this hot potato up again?) The fact that one of the panellists decided to blatantly mislead the audience by suggesting that 'rape simulator games' and the ilk would be allowed in carte blanch under an R-18 rating and nobody, not even Tony Jones called him on it, invalidated any good that could have come from having the discussion in the first place.

  • Alicej :

    09 Mar 2010 9:51:01am

    ORIGINAL

    Richard Dawkins seems to think that reason will be the cure-all for negative behaviour, but I doubt it .

      • Lindsay Cooper :

        09 Mar 2010 1:59:01pm

        Alicej;
        So do I and I think many more are getting to this realisation.

  • roland deschain :

    09 Mar 2010 7:48:13am

    Last night episode was a classic example. Richard Dawkins was happily showing why Steve Fielding was a fool, while the other guests shied away from expressing a firm opinion about anything. The only time they seemed engaged was when they were scoring political points, or when Dawkins pointed out the hypocrisy of their beliefs.
    Peace

      • Helvi :

        09 Mar 2010 8:49:17am

        Dawkins looked bored and Bishop and Fielding answered by referring to Rudd.There has to be at least two bright sparks to make the show watchable, hopefully more...

  • hph :

    09 Mar 2010 1:26:13am

    Wow- what a night!

    It takes a certain breed to be a politician......Gutless politicians with God given convictions.

    Au-revoir.

  • Jan :

    09 Mar 2010 12:17:45am

    The show started ok but has deteriorated since. Last week when they finished the show with the comment that the subject 'The Arts was something we should discuss further and in more depth'. Why then did Tony allow the show to be hijacked by questions about Peter Garrett and the "Insulation problem" with Sen Pyne being xxxxx about Peter's 'courage on coming on the Panel? The answer was in Tony's hands.

    Tonight we had Prof Dawkins dominating the panel with almost every answer by anyone else being referred to him for comment. Has anyone counted the number of times panel members only get one or two chances to comment or answer?

    Again Tony lets people, especially Julie Bishop tonight, get away with criticizing another without saying what he/she would do! Make them answer clearly or cut them off!

  • ninnanuam :

    08 Mar 2010 8:08:50pm

    I think what you are trying to say is want Q and A to be a carbon copy of Insight?

    I have to agree that I prefer Insight's handling of theme's but I think there should be room on TV for some off the cuff current events/political conversation.

      • K :

        09 Mar 2010 9:35:54am

        Insight's not much better. The trouble is trying to discuss very complicated issues in 25 minutes and hearing something from a large number of people. No one gets the chance to represent their views properly and it always ends up with lots of screwed-up faces.

  • polony :

    08 Mar 2010 7:32:29pm

    1) I think they heard you last week, but needed a tighter time limit for the discussion regarding why Mr Garret now has more time for the Arts ministry.

    I propose a compromise: the program should focus on a weekly topic, but have a explicit five minute segment at the start titled "off topic stuff that people want to discuss" with a countdown timer onscreen, a ticking noise, and brutal time management.

    2) "Trollumnists" is the perfect new word to describe some people. Before Society Anglaise put on their jackboots, please remind them that if interweb is an acceptable new noun then the verb form of troll is also acceptable.

  • PeterB :

    08 Mar 2010 7:06:49pm

    Scott, you've summed Q&A's troubles up pretty well. Too many irrelevant panelists; too broad an agenda. A narrower focus each week, with relevant panelists, would be an improvement.

    But at least the show is balanced - it has a host accused of being far too right wing, and frequently displaying a left wing bias. Well done Tony!

  • asterix :

    08 Mar 2010 6:22:58pm

    I like the show actually. In most cases the panel has much relevance to the subjects being discussed. Not sure why they discuss issues that don't relate to the panel occasionally.

    It would actually be nice if they screened the do-do's out of the studio audience questions. I don't mind that the extremists get on their asking questions as I think that often they are quite well put.

    I'm not sure the presenter gets to the 'meat' of the debate most of the time but I generally enjoy the format.

  • the yank :

    08 Mar 2010 6:11:51pm

    I've tried to listen to this program sevral times because I agree that the idea seems good.
    And for the reasons stated I just gave up. Hopefully this article plus the comments of the readers will cause the producers of the program to rethink their approach.

      • luke warm :

        08 Mar 2010 10:43:23pm

        I believe it could be improved if:
        1) they had a decent moderator instead of the inept Tony Jones - he misunderstands what the participants say, allows 1 or 2 of his panel to dominate the discussion and also loses control to the audience.
        2) they tried getting an audience with some balance, instead of allowing the young Liberals to invade and hog the debate.

        After watching Lateline I always felt this show would be hopeless and it hasn't let me down. If you want to see how it can be done well, watch Jenny Brockie on SBS 'Insight'

          • Alicej :

            12 Mar 2010 10:32:26am

            Tony's fawning over Richard Dawkins was embarrassing and evidence of a continuing 'cultural cringe' which we should have outgrown.
            His constant interruptions when one of the panel is speaking, is just unprofessional.

      • Robert2 :

        08 Mar 2010 11:42:59pm

        You are on the right track again yank. I have watched it again tonight and it is hard viewing. After all the talk, what of value is passed on or downloaded to the viewer? Nothing stimulating in the discussions.

        It reminds me of the sculpture outside the Eureka museum in Ballarat, a wall of previous near impregnable steel with cutouts depicting the issues, and slivers of light endeavouring to form some kind of objective presentation on the shifting sand within the inner circle.

        Still you cannot do much with poor old Julia and young Anthony. Mr Howard may have been the "Belzona" man (plastic putty steel), but Tony and his cohort Julia are, to utilise a slight variation in Tonys words, "nothing but just a big fat waste of space, time, and misusers of the much needed element, oxygen, within our atmosphere".

  • CM :

    08 Mar 2010 5:27:57pm

    I've watch nearly every episode of this show. I think there are too many on the panel. Cut it down to 3 or 4 and then the discussion may gain some depth. Also agree with one of the other comments that when this show first started the audience was comprised of those with general interests. Now it is 'loaded' with people with specific issues, and has been hijacked to a certain extent. I'll still continue to watch, though it's becoming a bit predictable.

  • Algernon :

    08 Mar 2010 5:17:08pm

    What might be better is to remove all the party hacks from the audience. Every week we see the dorothy dixer come from the young liberal member surrounded by other young liberal. That question is backed up by another dorothy dixer from the young labour member surrounded by other young labour. Then you get some hairbrained question from someone who is obviously a member of the greens.

    Sometimes a question is asked from an audience member who doesn't appear to have a party affiliation. Then we don't get the contrived answer.

      • Sheilah :

        08 Mar 2010 6:42:41pm

        In most cases you don't really get an answer at all if it doesn't fit the script.

      • DocMercury :

        08 Mar 2010 10:16:04pm

        There is a point to having people on Q&A with known axes to grind and bones to pick, as long as each party is represented to provide both points of view, in the same way that having folk who'd rather be known as an atheist than an abomination, as well as a person who'd would rather be an abomination than an atheist, to provide balance.

        Too much would be lost from informative dialectic if it became a monologue of only a one-sided opinion.

        People are extraordinarily fond of the truths they model inside their own heads, and sometimes it cannot be helped when the same tired old arguments are trotted out again for shredding and packaging, over and over again.

        Talk is cheap, and public opinion is free all the time.

          • Algernon :

            10 Mar 2010 11:57:46pm

            "Too much would be lost from informative dialectic if it became a monologue of only a one-sided opinion." For mine that's what happened on Monday night. There was Dawkins holding court and everyone else little more than bit players. Tony Jones seemed to be putty in his hands.

            When I first posted on Unleashed the debate was robust, forthright and entertaining with the moderator let the debate flow. A sort of cyber speakers corner if you like. It also regularly updated. Nowadays those posting (not you Doc) seem to want to take a piece out of one another, the updating slow with the debate moderated to within an inch of its life. Sure the debate is robust but there is a predicablity about it.

            Q&A has become like that. In the beginning it was robust and a lot less predictable. I still think its entertaining and enjoy the debate however you can almost second guess whats going to be said. Whilst I agree with what you say, It would be nice if the program wasn't an extention of the daily spin machine.

  • PeterO :

    08 Mar 2010 4:38:13pm

    I haven't watched Q&A for a long time. Everyone on the panel has their pre-packaged point of view and wants to get it across. There is no sense of engagement with and learning from others: everyone leaves thinking the same as when the program started. It's a pity that the program doesn't move around to different locations in Australia to get a wider studio audience as well (it's not like it requires a complicated studio set up).

  • cristophles :

    08 Mar 2010 3:40:32pm

    One problem, if it is a problem, is that it's live. Live performances always run the risk of being less than one would hope for. Even totally scripted live performances can be a let down on a given night. On the other hand it can be fantastic.

  • michael seymour :

    08 Mar 2010 3:22:05pm

    Q&A is a flawed concept. It's just another version of the "The Panel Show" idea that has be peddled by lazy, brain dead programers by FM radio and TV's alleged comedy programs eg the Glasshouse, The Fat, The &PM Project et cetera, ad nausiem. The aim is to get laughs, not discuss the issues in any depth. There is little continuity to enable issues to be grappled with as has been done effectively on SBS's Insight, or some of the excellent programs on ABC Radio National.

    Q&A is just bubblegum for the mind and for those who have trouble farting and chewing gum at the same time, it's perfect.

  • Hudson Godfrey :

    08 Mar 2010 1:56:08pm

    Perhaps an extra 30 minutes would be in order or a even smaller panel canvassing fewer topics so that issues that need to be thrashed out get more thorough treatment and excursions into side issues to be avoided. I actually like the show as it is though. I don't particularly like to see people put on the spot to the point where they're made to squirm before the cameras, once they become defensive the spectacle is rarely edifying. I prefer to see a debate take place and as many points as possible well made. What I don't expect if for interactivity to equate with someone's ability to hijack the agenda of the show. If it fails then it is for lack of setting topical agenda and sticking with them.

      • granny :

        08 Mar 2010 3:03:25pm

        I agree with you Hudson, there have been times when I really wanted to listen to some of the panellists such as Mungo, Germaine and Bob Ellis. But they were not given much time due to some other panellist occupying too much time with very little to say. That Todd Sampson? bloke for one, bores me to tears.

          • Helvi :

            08 Mar 2010 4:21:21pm

            ...and I agree with you granny, Mungo, Germaine and Bob Ellis have been good, they have something interesting to say, have some personality and a sense of humour. From the politicians I like Tanner best. Some of the young females are bit unsure and at times Tony has to help them along a bit...

          • Rhonda :

            08 Mar 2010 5:44:11pm

            agree with you Granny - I think Tod Sampson likes the sound of his own voice, I'm afraid and he shouldn't be given too much leash.

              • Granny :

                08 Mar 2010 7:17:49pm

                thank heavens it is not just me, I think he gets a go on the 7pm project as well. He can't possibly be that much of an intellect after all.

  • Phil Mayne :

    08 Mar 2010 1:45:39pm

    I have to say that in order to grab my attention on a Monday night, after 9:30pm, the ABC needs something more than talking heads of the pubic serpent/Politician variety. I often wonder how this program's promos refer to a live show when they are obviously recorded ahead of time. Is that for the purpose of editing and sanitizing questions/answers?

    On the subject of promos what is this crap we get with a bloke with a flat pack, a "nurse" walking through a hospital waffling about babies and a diver emerging from the deep.

    Monday and Tuesday are almost total TV no go areas after the 7 o'clock news, I have better things to do with my time.

    If I remember I'll switch the box on to watch Media watch but that's all folks.

  • sue11 :

    08 Mar 2010 1:35:23pm

    I really like the show, however I totally agree with your observations about the make-up of the panel. Needs to be much more theme based in panel selection and topics need to remain more focused

  • Blunt Pencil :

    08 Mar 2010 1:22:37pm

    When the show started, it was generally audience driven and the audience was comprised of seemingly normal people.

    In a short space of time the audience seemed to become stacked with 20 year old university eggheads who know oh so much about everything. Also, the compare started to initiate more and more questions.

    So, from a show that was initially driven by normal people who were maybe slightly idealistic but had some life experience to belt them into shape, it had turned into the Tony Jones Show with the odd uni student getting in some tangential question with 7 sub questions and all aimed to illicit answers complimentary to their political leanings.

    The last show I watched had David Marr trying to make some comments on the topic of refugees in response to the token normal person question for the night. Marr had little success as the Liberal panelist could not bear to see someone have an opinion so he interrupted continually in an effort to defend the recent liberal record whilst in government.

    That was a year or so ago. I dont know what it is like now. I havent bothered with the program since then.

      • Sheilah :

        08 Mar 2010 6:45:26pm

        Question doesn't fit the agenda? "I'll take that as a comment" seems to dispose of it.

      • Hermit :

        08 Mar 2010 8:11:32pm

        David Marr being interrupted continually. There's an ironic twist.

      • Kocsonya :

        09 Mar 2010 4:23:20pm

        "with 20 year old university eggheads"

        Well, at least their egghead has the big end on the top, where the brain is.

        Unfortunately, our Parliament is also stacked with eggheads, but they have the big end down, where the mouth is.

  • John Dillinger :

    08 Mar 2010 1:16:52pm

    The shows only going to be as good as the guests on it, perhaps there's the problem...

  • meika :

    08 Mar 2010 1:10:33pm

    They do need to get rid of that host, he is far too right wing.

      • Greg :

        08 Mar 2010 3:09:41pm

        He can only be considered right wing if you think Bob Brown represents the middle ground!

      • Trekka :

        08 Mar 2010 3:23:10pm

        Say what? Right winger? Tony Jones a right winger? I did get that right, right?
        I think I will go off and have a look at the new 'Alice and Wonderland' movie, that will probably make a little more sense to me now that I've had my head set right, right?

        The ABC, right wing, fascinating - who would have thunk it?.

          • B.Tolputt :

            08 Mar 2010 6:27:42pm

            The ABC is not right-wing nor is it left-wing (contrary to those that keep shouting otherwise). Two things have assisted the ABC in appearing to shift to the right though.

            Firstly, the number of people in the comments that are obviously anti-Labor has increased of late. As the ABC is obviously "left" of them, the number of comments lambasting the ABC for being left-wing has increased - contrary to the report the ex-Liberal government themselves commissioned.

            Secondly, the ABC has taken the issue of "balance" and applied it as "equal time". In other words, regardless of the merit of an argument it gets equal space as it's that it opposes. This has recently been taken advantage of by those opposing action on climate change due to Clive Hamilton's recent (& admittedly lengthy) article series.

      • Fnord :

        08 Mar 2010 9:42:34pm

        Tony Jones is right wing?

        What does that make Karl Marx according to you? A Social Democrat?

      • luke warm :

        08 Mar 2010 10:46:19pm

        Tony Jones is neither right or left wing, he blows around in the breeze. He isn't strong enough as a moderator to control the rabid right or the loony left who invade the show

  • Mac Yourselfathome :

    08 Mar 2010 1:04:03pm

    Each week I pray for the show to really light up a topic. And each week it disappoints. I watched and tweeted the show religiously prior to this year but I'm finding it a struggle to even wrestle the remote control off my wife once Desperate Housewives finishes on one of the other networks just before #qanda starts.

  • Az :

    08 Mar 2010 1:03:49pm

    Synopsis: Twitter twit didn't get tweet read on Qanda. Had rant.

    Was that 140 characters?

  • Michael :

    08 Mar 2010 12:52:00pm

    The main problem I have with the show is that it is chaired by the incredibly biased, left-leaning Tony Jones. The ABC needs to either get him to pull his head in, or replace him in this role.

      • Greg :

        08 Mar 2010 1:39:24pm

        Jones' biases are also so easy to detect. If it is someone he agrees with, he lets them ramble interminably. If he disagrees with them, they get short shrift, or he asks a long fully loaded question, longer than the answer he allows them to give. eg "Given it is well known that you beat your wife, have you stopped beating her yet?" Its quite pathetic really.

          • Donaldoz :

            08 Mar 2010 3:10:56pm

            Whilst I agree that the show often becomes painful, at least it is better than having to watch endless commercials elsewhere. Tony needs to smarten up a bit with his choice of panel and speakers from the audience.

          • Vivienne :

            08 Mar 2010 3:56:18pm

            So I gather you haven't watched the show yet.

      • John O :

        08 Mar 2010 3:25:32pm

        Agreed. Who though?

      • Darren :

        08 Mar 2010 3:52:26pm

        Agree with these two comments. His left wing bias is displayed frequently when he opens his questions with statements.

          • GraemeF :

            08 Mar 2010 4:42:50pm

            The constant petulant whining about left wing bias on the ABC that has been debunked time after time is tiresome. Try substituting some facts instead of unfounded conjecture.

              • Michael :

                08 Mar 2010 7:21:09pm

                "The constant petulant whining about left wing bias on the ABC that has been debunked time after time..."

                Yes, I've heard that the ABC has investigated itself and came to this conclusion. Anyone who has ever watched much material on the ABC should reaslise this is a load of nonsense.

                Do you remember the coverage they gave to both sides before the last federal election? The Labor bias was sickening. I even voted Labor, and I could still clearly see it...

              • GraemeF :

                09 Mar 2010 9:53:56am

                The unrelenting attacks on the ABC over its perceived bias have gone on for years making the ABC the most closely scrutinised of all media outlets. No bias has been proven. Right wing zealots who can't find any facts to back up their own skewed version of reality are the only ones to claim bias.

                http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/documents/ABC_Newspoll_p49.pdf

                Or after more Coalition witch hunts.

                http://friendsoftheabc.org/abc-issues-bias-funding-sponsorship/is-the-abc-biased/abc-bias-verdict-from-the-government-appointed

                "What then has the government appointed umpire found? The ABA’s web site lists all of the breaches of the relevant codes that it has found between 1998 and June 2005. With regard to code requirements relating to accuracy and fairness in news and current affairs the Authority found that ABC television breached the code on four occasions over nearly eight years."

                So there you go you petulant whiners, even after a fine tooth comb and an electron microscope there were only four breaches in eight years.

                I challenge you to find one single credible report proving bias at the ABC. They've had the 'experts' trying to prove it but the claims of bias have shattered quicker than a sugar glass bottle in a western bar room brawl.

              • Hermit :

                08 Mar 2010 8:14:39pm

                Interesting. Who did the debunking and what were there biases?

                There was someone who counted the interruptions to measure bias.

                Then again, when some politicians start I can't wait for them to be interrupted so the blah blah will stop.

              • Anon :

                08 Mar 2010 9:46:48pm

                In several cases, it has been found that Tony Jones will both:

                -Interrupt more often, and/or
                -Speak more during the interview,

                When he is interviewing a person from the right side of politics.

                During left wing interviews, he will remain silent and allow them to say what they want. And he will rarely dig at the weak points of their argument.

                If you doubt this, watch him yourself.

          • CM :

            08 Mar 2010 5:15:11pm

            I agree that Tony Jones bias is apparent, but I also think that he has an insular 'Canberra Press Gallery' view of the world as was evident last week. He spent 20 mins. of the show on the insulation/Peter Garrett topic, when the whole panel was comprised of those who were there to discuss the Arts. Finally a panelist had to point this out to Jones, who then reluctantly changed the topics.

              • Sheilah :

                08 Mar 2010 6:48:06pm

                Much ABC CPR given to Garrett this week. Book club, Q&A. You've got to give it to them they really look after their own.

                But it was good to see Kerry O'B the other week try to get a few straight answers from Rudd for a change.

              • Hermit :

                09 Mar 2010 8:35:01am

                Yes, but O'Brien and Jones are never after straight answers. They are after confessions.

              • GAJ :

                09 Mar 2010 9:59:00am

                Last nights performance by Tony Jones was abysmal
                but I add his panel was also trying in the extreme
                Apart from Dawkins and one other participant the panel lacked intellectual rigour and in some cases I was looking for a brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Their understanding of the topic was non existent and the waffling was embarrassing
                No amount of talk could make up for lack of ability to define the issues and address them
                Woeful effort
                J

      • Granny :

        08 Mar 2010 7:19:58pm

        Gee poor Tony, he is left, he is right, maybe he isd trying to stay in the middle.

          • Hermit :

            09 Mar 2010 8:34:06am

            Or perhaps he could think a bit harder.